INTERVIEWER:  This is an interview with Mr. Richard O. Baldwin, 1515 Glenco Road, Winter Park, Florida, made on July 16th 1981 at the home of Mrs. Marjorie R. Mullar, 2131 Via Tuscany, Winter Park.  The interviewer for the Morris Foundation was Mr. Mullar. Good morning, Richard.

[00:00:35]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Good morning, Marjorie.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  As a whole week has passed by and it’s now July 28th and we will go ahead with the real interview instead of just the reminiscing this time.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  That’ll be great.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  I thought maybe you’d like to, uh...  Well, you just tell me what, perhaps, you have in your mind that you’re going to talk about when your earliest memories as a boy or whatever you care to talk about.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, great.  I’ll just give you a little thumbnail description of my background.  I’m a third generation Floridian.  Uh... My mother’s family moved to Orlando in 1888 in the James Evans family and they’re some of the old pioneers of the area.  And, in fact, the Maynard Evans, Sr. High School is named after my mother’s brother- one of my mother’s brothers.

[00:01:32]                    INTERVIEWER:  Did they come uh... -- You say they pioneered.  Where did they come from?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... They came from up in the area of Ocala in Madison, Florida, up in that area, they came here.  My grandmother was born in Madison probably and my mother was born in a little area-- was called Lost Bluff.  I presume it’s still on the map.  I don’t know.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Uhm-uhm.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  And then they moved to Orlando.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Did they have any particular reason for coming to Orlando?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... I really don’t know.  I can’t answer it.  They had a dairy, you know, they were the first dairy in Orlando, as I understand.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you remember the name of it?

[00:02:08]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  No.  I sure don’t.  And uh...  my mother’s brothers all-- well, one was a jeweler and then three of them were all pharmacists.  And they- they had a uh... a number of drug stores in Central Florida.  In fact, they had one in Winter Park where- where the old Rexall store used to be.  I see that it has- another business has gone in there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.  I think Papagallos is in there now maybe.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I don’t recall.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What was the name of your drug store?  Do you remember?  Was it Evans?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, in- in Orlando, they had the Evans Drug Company and the same on the pharmacy.  And I don’t know what it was called here in Winter Park.  It was just a little, teeny-tiny as I remember, I remember the drug store there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  We’d go there and get free ice cream.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  And probably if you paid, would it be about a nickel a cone?

[00:03:03]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, I- I guess probably, I imagine that’s what it was.  Then my- my father’s family homesteaded outside of Arcadia, Florida.  And uh...  he was uh...  as a young man, he was very young, he came to Orlando because there were no high schools in that area.  And he got a job in Orlando and went through high school.  And uh... there was a-- he had some pictures of himself and a number of prominent men in Orlando today.  They all lived at-- it was called the Central Boarding House in Orlando.  And they were all going to school.  

                                    They were young men and they were going to school and had jobs working their way uh...  through school and getting their high school education.  One of them I remember was Harry P. Louvey. Harry P. [inaudible] named after.  And there was one gentleman in Winter Park in the plumbing business here for years and years, Foster Fanning, he was there at the same time and some of the Pounds boys out in Winter Garden were there. And, I mean, that’s just a few of the names that I remember Dad talking-- speaking of.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  How old would these boys have been at that time?

[00:04:15]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... They were teenagers, I’m sure.  I- I would say probably 16, 17, 18 --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  And they entered as a freshman in high school?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I- I guess.  I- I-- you know, I really don’t know.  But they did and they all went through high school (inaudible).

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What kind of jobs were they -- What was your father have been--?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, he- he worked for the telephone company and also as an electrician.  And uh...  some of the old buildings at Rollins, uh... he wired some of the old buildings there, he did the electrical wiring in those and so helping doing that.  And, you know, Cloverleaf freshman dormitory for girls and Lakeside, and he said he did all of that wiring in those buildings years ago.

[00:05:04]                    And then he said he had uh...  one of his jobs he would go from Orlando to Winter Park on his bicycle and check the telephone lines to see if everything was up, so on and so forth.  That was one of the jobs he had to do when he was with the telephone company.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Was that the Winter Park telephone?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No, that was in Orlan-- in Orlando.  It was, I guess- uh... I presume it was Southern Bell.  I don’t know.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  But uh... And then he- he was married to my mother and they-- uh...  my brother, who is a little older than I, Maynard, was uh...  born in Orlando.  He was born on the corner of Robinson and Rosin Avenue where the Hartford Building is today, right there on Lake [inaudible].

[00:05:50]                    And uh... then they-- the family moved to Arcadia for a short time.  My father was head of the telephone company there.  And I was born in Arcadia.  And then we came back to Winter Park and uh...  my father purchased a store, Orange Hardware and Furniture back then on Park Avenue in Winter Park.  And I believe that was 1923 that he did that.  And uh... then later on, he sold the furniture part of it and moved the hardware store across the street.  And he was in the hardware business on Park Avenue for over 50 years.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That’s the famous Baldwin Hardware.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Right.  And uh...  after he passed away, well uh... we sold the business and all that.  But uh...  I remember way back then when the store used to close at noontime, they’d go home to lunch (inaudible) the store owners and they would close their stores on Wednesday afternoons and-- but generally it was Thursday afternoon and later on they changed it to Wednesday afternoons. And uh... HHHHin the summertime, there was just very few people (inaudible).  I would say less than 2,000 people in Winter Park at that time.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What year would that have been?

[00:07:07]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, that was in-- that was the end- in the- of course, in the ‘20s and part of the ‘30s, that's the early- early ‘30’s.  Because the winter tourists were here and most of the stores on Park Avenue North were open in the wintertime and they closed during the summer months and they were- they were closed during the summer months.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Well, what remained open, just the hardware store --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Just the hardware --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- and the drugstore?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  -- and the drugstores and the clothing stores and grocery stores and all.  But- but mostly your shops on North Park- North Park Avenue were gift shops and this type of thing and they catered to the winter tourists.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Oh, I see.

RICHARD BALDWIN:  And uh...  but you know, back then we had a-- Now, all of our lakes, for instance, were clear, they had sand bottoms.  And uh... the old Dickey Railroad that ran through Winter Park uh... we lived over across the lake from Rollins on the other side of Lake Virginia and we in the summertime would swim at the-- at the Rollins College docks.  And late in the afternoon, the old Dickey would come by about that time, always running real slow, an old steam engine.  And uh... my brother and myself and a couple of boys in the neighborhood we uh...  would catch a ride on the train on the caboose and we’d ride all the way over to Sterling Avenue.  And there was a little incline there and it’d be going real slow there and we’d hop off.  And the uh...  railroad employee who rode in the caboose, he knew us all and waved to us and he knew we were going to ride it and he talked with us the whole time we were riding it.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Wasn’t that fun?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  We’d do that everyday during the summertime when we were at the lake swimming.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Weren’t you uh...  kind of afraid to jump on and off going --

[00:09:07]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, the thing was going so slow it wasn’t any problem.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What- what was the Dickey train carrying?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... It -- Well, I understand originally they used to carry passengers from Winter Park on the Dickey line.  I know they had a railroad station there.  Now years ago, I don’t remember anything about that, of course.  But uh...  it used to go out to (inaudible) farm in Melvina, celery and then citrus and so on and so forth and they were hauling uh...  going back to (inaudible) and all and then over to (inaudible).  And the tracks went around the lakes in Winter Park, but later, of course, those tracks have been removed now.  Uh... They re-routed it, but the train still goes to Ovida.  Uh... And uh... they had re-routed it through the Naval training station (inaudible).

                                    INTERVIEWER:  I didn’t realize it was --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uhm-uhm.  It’s still running.  So the ole Dickey has quite a history. Rode right through the college there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yeah.

[00:10:15]                    RICHARD BALDWIN: Uhm...  Now all of my schooling I had been right here in Winter Park.  The uh...  school downtown, which Rollins now owns, uh... when I first started school there, it was 1 through 12 grades.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Is that the old Park Avenue School?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  The old Park Avenue School.  And then right after that, they built the new school over in uh...  where the Winter Park Junior High School is now on Huntington Avenue.  And that was uh...  7 through 12 grades there and the Park Avenue was just the elementary school.  And, of course, I started over there in the 7th grade and then graduated high school there on Huntington Avenue.  

                                    And then I uh... attended Rollins College.  So all of my education has been right here in Winter Park.  And- and one of-- one of the uh... people in Winter Park, Billie Hotard, and I started school together and she is now Billie Bonner.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Dr. Hotard, Sr.’s daughter. And I’m very fond of Billie.  We see each other quite often.  She and Jimmy (inaudible).

[00:11:30]                    Uh... You know, in growing up, I remember there was a family that was next door to us named Dr. Harry M. Lichenstein and he was a doctor and a lawyer from New York.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  A physician and a lawyer?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.  And he was the head physician of the Toombs Prison in New York.  And his family lived here during the wintertime.  When they first came here, they lived, it was called Suburban Homes, that’s Goldenrod.  I guess uh...  I don’t know whether it was called Goldenrod, that city then or it used to be called Suburban Homes when we were growing up.  Now whether it changed --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Isn’t that interesting.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  -- to I don’t know.  I really don’t.  I’d like to- like to know when it changed to City of Goldenrod.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Maybe it’s Goldenrod uh...  just to- well, since the highway went through.

[00:12:20]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I- I don’t know, very possibly.  But they lived next door.  They lived there first and then moved to Winter Park and lived next door to us and they had two boys my age and uh...  they both went through school here and then both went to Rollins.  

                                    But uh... Dr. Lichenstein was a very unusual person and- and a great musician on top of all these other things.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What- what did he play?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well uh...  the piano and uh...  also I understand when he was 16, he was the first violinist in the New York Symphony Orchestra.  But he never had a piano lesson in his life and he could just sit down and just play (inaudible).  He was a very remarkable man.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Well, you say he came here as a lawyer and a doctor?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  Now, his family- he stayed up there usually most of the winter because he-- but his family stayed here in the wintertime.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  I see.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  And they lived next door to us.  Then one summer, I went up and spent the summer with them.  That was the first time I’d ever been to New York City and had a great time.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  I’m sure you did.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... And uh...  I believe when we were talking before, I mentioned the old Baby Grand Theater.  That’s where the Winter Park-- I believe it’s about where the Winter Park Land Company is located now.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  It was a theater there?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.  And uh... they had the old organ in there, you know, that’d play with the silent movies and all.  And on uh... Friday nights, I believe it was called Country Store --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Country Store?

[00:13:53]                    RICHARD BALDWIN: Country Store, I believe.  We would uh...  everybody would go in and they’d have tickets and they’d call out numbers and they’d give away baskets of groceries and all types of things like this uh... once a week.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  How much did it cost you to go --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I think it was --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- to the theater?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I believe a dime.  I believe it was 10 cents.  And uh... But I remember the old Country Store and the prizes they used to give away.  And they-- And, of course, I don’t know how many years ago they- they uh... took the theater away and they built the uh...  Colony Theater, used to be the Colony Theater.  And --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Down the street.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you remember the-- any of the movies that you happened to have seen then?

[00:14:42]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, I remember seeing William S. Hart with Tom Nix, of course.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  And, I mean, that’s about all I remember about the- about the movies itself, just a couple of the characters in it.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you remember who played the organ?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  No, I don’t.:  No, I don’t remember that.  Uh... And, you know, where the Winter Park Hospital now, there used to be a clubhouse there, it was the Winter Park Country Club, Aloma Country Club.  I’ve forgotten what it was called. Uhm...  It wasn’t Winter Park.  Maybe it was the Aloma Golf and Country Club.  They had an 18-hole golf course there and I remember Dr. Hotard and some of the businessmen here in town are the ones that put the golf course in and started it.  And that’s where I learned to play golf.  And as my first job it was there.  And the old Lakemont Dairy was there.  And I remember the-- one of the fairways went right along in front of the dairy was out there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Was -- Would that be in about ’53?

[00:15:46]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No, it was before that.  It was way before that.  That was in the-- I don’t know just when-- It seems to me that that golf course was put in in the ‘20s, late ‘20s and- and early- and I guess during the land boom probably.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What happened to the Lake- Lakemont Dairy?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, they were there for years.  And then they uh...  I believe Carroll Ward was the one that- that ran the dairy and owned the dairy.  And he uh...  I believe he sold all his stock and sold the land and all and retired.  And --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  You say his name was Carroll Ward?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Carroll Ward.  Uhm-uhm.  Uh... That was the (inaudible) was the son.  He was one of the original men here in Winter Park.  Well, you know, there’s so many Ward family’s people here, they’re all- all related.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.

[00:16:49]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uhm-uhm.  I remember in the summer, we used to play uh... baseball at the old (inaudible), right there at the corner of Fairbanks and Clark Avenue, you know, where Rollins --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Near the sink hole?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  No.  At Fairbanks --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Oh.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  -- and Park Avenue, there at Rollins.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  They play soccer there now.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yeah.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  We used to play ball in the summertime there and the boys could meet them and walk down the railroad tracks and come to Winter Park and we’d play baseball there.  And then probably the next day, we’d walk the railroad tracks up to Maitland and we’d play baseball there.  And we’d do that quite often in the summertime.  We had quite a good time playing ball with them.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Where did they play in Maitland?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, they had- we had a sand lot there in Maitland.  I don’t- there was plenty of room. You know, uh...  speaking of sand uh... (inaudible), they used to have-- that’s where they animated magazines at Hamilton Post uh... and had a lot of dignitaries and all there and speak and- and uhm... I believe Harry Truman spoke at the-- one of the last speakers we had.  

[00:17:57]                    But I remember when I was a boy scout, people had (inaudible) and, of course, he was connected with Rollins.  As the scouts we would act as ushers at the uh... animated magazine.  And uh... one year I was just very young, uh...  I guess probably my first year of scouting, they assigned me down at the Lakeside Hall at Rollins on the lake.  Well, the animated magazine was way up-- you know, up at (inaudible), they wanted me to be there and I thought, my goodness, I won’t get to see any of it.  I was just wondering what in the world I was supposed to do there.  And who do you think that I sat with there?  Thomas A. Edison.  He was on the animated magazine.  

[00:18:43]                    And he was very elderly and we-- he sat in a rocking chair on the porch then overlooking the lake and he would take a little nap every now and then, then he’d stop-- wake up a little bit and he’d talk to me some and then he’d take another little nap and then when it was time for him to speak, well, they came after him.  And I rode in the car with him up to the uh... platform.  He made his little talk and then he went back to Lakeside Hall.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What an interesting experience.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Isn’t that something, though.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you remember what you talked about?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No, I sure don’t.  And I remember when the Bock Tower at uh... Mount Lake, you know, I guess put in their first concert and my mother and father and brother sat down to hear the first time it chimed (inaudible).  And I- I remember writing Edward Bock a letter and I received a real nice letter back from him.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you still have it?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... Yes, I still have it.  And I still have Thomas Edison’s signature.  He wrote me a note on the program.

[00:19:45]                    INTERVIEWER:  Perhaps you can make a copy of each of those.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I’ll make --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Think you could?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I probably could if I can find them.  I have them, though.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That would be a- a good possession.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.  I don’t know, I just hadn’t (inaudible) I sent Edison- I mean uh...  Bock a letter, but I did and got a very nice letter back from him.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Your mother trained you well.

[00:20:16]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  You know, one of the first jobs I had, I wasn’t old enough to start working, though, they built Knolls Chapel and Mary Russell Theater.  And in the summertime, I got a job with a contractor, I was a water boy.  There-- And I had to-- this little rack made to fit my shoulder and I had a bucket of water with a dipper in each-- two buckets of water, one on each side, with ice in it and my dipper and it was real hot summertime and you have to go along the scaffolding and whatnot.  All I could hear was, water boy, all the carpenters out there working wanting a drink of water.  I can hear water boy still.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Where did you get the water?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, we had- there was city water (inaudible).  I mean, they had water there at the-- where they were on the building site.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Was this when you were a scout --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  No.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- about that age or were you older?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, I don’t- I really -- Oh, I’m sure I was probably --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Teenager?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, 14, 15, somewhere around there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Strong --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.

                                    INTERVIEWER: --big boy. What did they pay you?  Do you remember what your wages were for being a waterboy?

[00:21:30]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... I think I made 15 cents an hour.  That was pretty good then, wasn’t it?

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.  Did you work a full day?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes, worked a full day.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Eight hours a day?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uhm-uhm, eight hours a day, yes.  In fact, we probably worked longer than that.  I don’t recall (inaudible).  They didn’t go by the eight hours a day back then.  They went closer to 10 hours a day, I think, ‘cause they started about 7:00 in the morning and didn’t quit (inaudible) finally had to leave.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Did you start with them --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yes.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- everyday?  It was a summer job?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  It was a summer job, uhm-uhm.  I had it for about two months.  And, you know, the Park Avenue, I remember, so many buildings were wooden frame buildings.  And uh... I know (inaudible).  There was a great big ole two-story wood frame building and uh...  I remember us painting it a light yellow.  I remembered that for a long time.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That’s interesting.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  And- and uh...  on the corner- I noticed uh...  on the corner of (inaudible) I can’t remember the --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Wellborn?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Wellborn.  I noticed they had taken-- they had taken the siding off and the old uh... wood siding is there now.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That is going to be restored I hear.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Is it?  Well, now, I noticed that there’s a sign up there.  It isn’t all there, part of it has been blocked out with some windows and things they’ve put in and I know that it was White Rain Flour, advertising White Rain Flour.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What was White Rain?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  It’s --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Oh, flour, f-l-o-u-r.

[00:23:14]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  Yeah.  I can- the sign is there now.  I saw it yesterday is the reason I thought of it. And uh... of course, the-- a great many of the streets uh... weren’t paved, but a lot of the streets were paved (inaudible) paved streets pretty well.  And I --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  When did they put in the brick --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  There were --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- brick street?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, they -- Well, during the uh...  I know during the land boom, a lot of the brick streets were put in in some of the subdivision they put in.  But they had brick streets. I guess that’s what they put in over there.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What about Park Avenue, was that brick when you were --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh, I- I don’t know (inaudible).  It seems when I grew and I had (inaudible).

                                    INTERVIEWER:  But your transportation, was that a bicycle or your feet?

[00:24:08]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Both.  And my brother and I used to have friends over on Lake Osceola and- and uh...  we had a little rowboat and we would go get in the boat and go (inaudible) through- through the canal into Osceola to see our friends and that’s the way they would come to see us.  We’d go by boat instead of having to walk.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That’s a pleasant thing to do. You mentioned that you knew Fleet Peoples --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yes.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  --when you were a boy.  And you said something about canoeing and --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yes.  The-- uh...  Fleet, uh... he always had the Boy Scouts.  And I remember for a while he had a tumbling team that he taught tumbling.  And I remember doing that --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Was he your troupe leader?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  He was the scout master.  He was the head of the Boy Scouts here in Winter Park.  And uh...  he started-- later on, he started the Cub Scouts.  And the boys I believe were 10 and 11 years old, if I remember.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes, it was that age.

[00:25:14]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uhm-uhm.  Yes.  And uh...  but Fleet is- he’s been a great person here in Winter Park, the community for a long- swimming, teaching swimming and camping and whatnot.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  You mentioned some kind of uh... I guess it was just a fun thing to do in canoes when you would get off --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yeah, that, well, I know -- It’s funny. uh...  I can’t recall whether it was a Founders Day or just what it was, but the old Brewer estate, once a year they used to let us go on the Brewer estate.  And we would go there and be (inaudible), we were all painted up some of us like Indians and whatnot.  And we had, I think, a fun day there all day.  And I can’t recall exactly what it was.  I’ll have to get to Fleet Peoples and find out about it. I remember one year, Fleet took uh... the Boy Scouts and we went to Sanford and got on the boat and went to Jacksonville.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What boat was that?

[00:26:21]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh, we had- they had these little Stever (phonetic) boats that would go to Jacksonville and back.  They carried freight and passengers.  And uh...  AndI remember the- the mayor of Jacksonville met us and talked to us and so on and so forth.  We booked for a weekend, just a few days back when we had a trip --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That was a great outing, wasn’t it?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes, I can say so. And uh...  and, of course, Fleet has taken everyone in the City of Winter Park camping, I’m sure.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Including mine.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Including my sons.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Including mine.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Yes.  Uhm-uhm.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  What did you people do uh... when Winter Park Hospital was being built?  What uh... what happened if you needed to have a hospital?

[00:27:22]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, we were- we’d go over to Orlando to the-- it was called the Florida Sanitarium or the Orange Memorial Hospital in Orlando.  And uh... there was no hospital in Winter Park until the past 25, 28 years.  

                                    Uh... And, of course, all the children that were born were born in Orlando.  And so that’s on their birth certificate, so uh...  until the Winter Park Hospital here, so I guess you couldn’t say that they are native to Winter Park, so many of them.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  That’s interesting.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Uh... And I might add there’s a men’s club here in Winter Park was called the Half Century Club and you had to be living in Winter Park for 50 years or more to become a member of it.  

[00:28:14]                    And uh...  we meet once a year at uh...  a dinner meeting, a little get-together and- and normally we have uh... around a hundred to 125 in attendance.  And I don’t really know how many members we do have, but uh... it certainly is good to see-- a lot of people you only see once a year and you see them, we have a good time and reminisce.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you meet at the University Club?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No, we meet at the Imperial House for dinner and all when we meet.  We only meet once a year.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Do you recall any of the people that were-- that are members now who were uh...  who are uh...  Do you recall their names?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, a lot of the men now?

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Uhm-uhm, who are still living here, maybe.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yes.  Ray Travilian is here and uh... Mr. B. Guy Ellis and --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Is he the plumber?

[00:29:19]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  No.  No.  He’s retired.  He used to uh... work with the (inaudible) with uh...  Hugh McCain.  And uh...  oh, there’s so many of them, we grow apart and the Harper boys, you know, the Harper Plumbing Company --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Yes.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  -- they’re- they’re all members, and my brother, Maynard, is a member, and uh... Grover Powers and Ned Dugan.  Oh, there’s so many, I could just go on and on.  And uh... well, Hugh McCain is a member of it.  He was there at our last meeting.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  I imagine there is a lot that can be- a lot of things of interest one could find out --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  You certainly --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- from each one of these people.

[00:30:10]                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  That’s for sure.  Yes.  I- I often think-- We meet there at the Imperial House on 1792, that’s Orlando Avenue.  And uh...  of course, I remember when that wasn’t 1792.  Uh... It was just a little dirt road there and there was nothing out there, just out in the woods, you might say.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  No buildings at all?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  I don’t recall any out there.  There might have been a house or two, but I don’t recall.  There was no business or anything.  It was just a dirt road.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Things have really changed.

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  They have a great deal, yes.  Uhm-uhm.

[00:30:52]                    Uh... Well, there- there was very little between Winter Park and Sanford.  I mean, there were a few-- in Maitland the roads weren’t very large, but from Maitland on into Sanford, well, you just didn’t see anything on the- on the highway hardly.

                                    INTERVIEWER:  Were there groves --

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  Well, you’d see a grove --

                                    INTERVIEWER:  -- or woods?

                                    RICHARD BALDWIN:  -- (inaudible) mostly woodlands.  You- You’d see a few groves, you know, now and then but it’s mostly woodlands.  And uh... well, Winter Park, I guess, in- in the summertime when I was growing up, it would probably wouldn’t be over 2,000 people in North Florida.  (Tape ended)