KELLY POOLE:  This is an interview with Maynard Baldwin at his home at 1358 Richmond Rd., February 25, 1997.  The interviewer for the Winter Park Historical Association is Kelly Poole
[00:00:29] KELLY POOLE:  Hey, Maynard, howdy-doody!
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Howdy-doody.  [Laughter] 
KELLY POOLE:  Where were you born?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I was born in Orlando, Florida, 200 East Robinson Avenue, which is one corner from Winter Park.
KELLY POOLE:  And when did you come to Winter Park?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  When I was 11, and- uh...
KELLY POOLE:  And how large was Winter Park then?  Do you remember?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Roughly 2500 in the summertime and 5000 in the wintertime.
KELLY POOLE:  That was quite a leap. Uh... Where did you-- Where did you live in Winter Park?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We lived first on uh... on Chase Ave-- 500 Chase Ave with- with uh... an Uncle Don and uh... his mother, and uh... then Dad bought the Arch [ph] Hardware and Furniture Company on Park Avenue.  
[00:01:21] About 1923 roughly—is it working?  And- uh... then we built a house on Essex Road shortly after that and then went around-- came around-- and sold that and came around the corner and built on Richmond Road here.  Uh... It was all Palmettos and- uh... people with grubbing hoes-- to clear the lot.  That’s before you had bulldozers and stuff, and I went to school at Winter Park-- uh... grammar school-- well, it was grammar school and high school then-- on Park Ave. across the street from City Hall.  
[00:01:57] Uh... It was recently torn down.  And now Rollins owns this property.  [Church bells ring]  Then- uh... we moved to the-- the school, high school moved over to uh... Huntington Ave., where the Ninth Grade Center is now.  We grad- uh... I graduated from that- from that uh... school.
KELLY POOLE:  That’s on Pennsylvania Ave?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, it’s on Huntington and Pennsylvania, yeah.  And-um went to New Orleans for a year.  That was during the Depression, though.  It was kind of rough doing.  So I came back home and helped Dad in the hardware store.
[00:02:38] KELLY POOLE:  Now where was your dad’s hardware store?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh... It was up to where Cocktrail’s was until recently, which was right beside what was Dr. Gary’s Drug Store and later was uh... Taylor and uh... Edwards and then later Edwards and Hightower.  Then we moved uh... to- to uh...  South Park Avenue across from the Colony theater, and- uh... 
KELLY POOLE:  All this was on Park Ave.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It’s all on Park Ave; Rusty’s still on Park Avenue.  So it’s always been on Park Avenue a long, long time, and- uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Back to uh... to- uh... you were born in Orlando.  Were your parents from Orlando or where did they--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, um- dad and mom uh...  came up here to Orlando, worked as an electrician and a telephone operator.
KELLY POOLE:  Came from where?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  From Arcadia, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Where?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Arcadia.
KELLY POOLE:  Arcadia.  Is that where--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  When they came up here--
KELLY POOLE:  Is that where he was born?  Was he a Floridian?
[00:03:40] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, yeah, he was born-- no-no-no, he was born in Texas and came-- his family came here when he was three years old.  Came in a boxcar and in one old passenger car where the mamas and the babies were, and- uh... they got out— Garden Florida is really where the farm was.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
[00:04:01] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And uh... then he uh... he swore as soon as he could he was going to quit farming and come to high school-- finish high school and all that, which he did, and-uh... so he met mom, and she was working at-uh... NTL’s Dry Goods store.
KELLY POOLE:  Was your mother from Orlando?  Was she born in Orlando?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She was born up in Ocala, or near Ocala.  Her mother was born up in Madison, Florida.
KELLY POOLE:  Real Florida—I don’t want to say crackers...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But Dad had an electrical store in Arcadia.  Went back down there-- when they were married went down then because he and this- another fellow started an electrical store, contracting store.  And-uh, so when she was pregnant with me she came home for mama to have me.  That’s the reason I was born in Orlando.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, I see.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And-uh, so we left there, Arcadia, when I was 7 and moved to Bowling’ Green, a little strawberry town.
[00:05:02] KELLY POOLE:  To what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Bowling Green.
KELLY POOLE:  Bowling- oh yes, Bowling Green.  I was going to say Bowling Green, Kentucky.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Nope, nope, Florida.  And-uh... between Alachua and Fort Meade.  And-uh, he did real well there at the hardware business and then he sold out to his partner, came up here, and he would have bought sooner, I guess, except he had kidney stones and had to have an operation and had-- oh, he had a horrible time.  Infection set in.  That was before they had all the modern stuff, you know, and then he lived up and Claremont and Mount Doyle and finally settled in Winter Park, for which I’m very glad.  Has anyone ever talked about a- the old Loma golf course.
KELLY POOLE:  No.  Nobody has.  I wanted to ask you now, you have a brother.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I have a brother Dick.
KELLY POOLE:  And where was Dick born?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He was born in Arcadia.
[00:06:00] KELLY POOLE:  Is he old- he’s older than you are?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, he’s younger than I.
KELLY POOLE:  He’s younger than you.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Three years younger, yeah, and-uh... that was all from the brothers and sisters
KELLY POOLE:  Just the- just the two boys.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Um-hmm.
KELLY POOLE:  But your mother’s family were in Orlando in- in--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, the-uh, the Evans family.
KELLY POOLE:  The Evans family.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, they had Evans’ Drug-Drug Store and San Juan Pharmacy Drug Store.
KELLY POOLE:  San Juan?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.  San Juan Pharmacy, and there was another one.  When he went to Atlanta and married up there.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And you know, stayed up there.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And I had a half-brother who was Turner Evans.  He had the jewelry store there for years and years.
KELLY POOLE:  Had a jewelry store?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh, and he had a clock out in front, and I think that clock is still has in front of the circle. I’m not sure.
KELLY POOLE:  In-uh, on Orange Avenue in Orlando?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, mm-hmm.  I’m not sure whether it’s still there or not, but they had it for a while.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, back to you going to Winter Park High School, and then you went to Florida--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  University of Florida.
[00:07:00] KELLY POOLE:  University in Gainesville for one year.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  For one year.  Yep, uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  And-uh, and did you come back to work for your father then?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, mm-hmm, yep, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  And then the--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The hardware store.  And I stayed there for a long time, uh-uh, let’s see-- well, not a long time.  Till I was 21.  Then I-uh... got a job with a tobacco company, a sales-traveling salesman for Larus & Brothers Tobacco Company.
KELLY POOLE:  L-Larus and?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Larus and Brothers, had Edgewood- Edgewood Tobacco and--
KELLY POOLE:  How do you spell Larus?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  L-a-r-u-s, I think it was-- yeah, yeah, that’s what it was, and-uh... Domino’s Cigarettes, ten-cent cigarettes.  That was during the depression.  Then I...
KELLY POOLE:  Where’d you travel?  Florida and Georgia?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No-no-no, just central Florida more.  It’s not as far as Melbourne.  Up as far as (inaudible at [0:07:52:6]).
KELLY POOLE:  By car?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, they had a truck, but they probably down in the truck.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And actually sold tobacco for them and uh--
[00:08:01] KELLY POOLE:  You what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Sold tobacco.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And also had to do- do-, my business was sales, actually sales.
KELLY POOLE:  Mmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Did pretty well.  They invited me to go to Atlanta, and I told them, “No thank you.”  
KELLY POOLE:  If you were selling tobacco now, they’d run you out of town, wouldn’t they?  [Laughter]
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  [Laughter]
KELLY POOLE:  So, that brought you up to-- is that when--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Then-uh, I got sick after that.  I had undulant fever, I think, or something like that.
KELLY POOLE:  Everybody in Winter Park had undulant fever.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I graduated in pajamas, by the way.  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  From high school?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, yeah.  I had a terrible time.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, what year was that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, 1931 and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  How many were in your class, do you remember?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Thirty-eight, and-uh- most of them are gone.
KELLY POOLE:  Really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN: Walter Shultz is the only one I know of that’s left.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, he lives in Jacksonville.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, um-hmm...Laura just died.
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  His wife.
KELLY POOLE:  Who did you say? 
[00:09:00] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  A classmate of ours.  
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She just died this summer.
KELLY POOLE:  They were great friends of Helen Watson’s.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh yeah, they are.  She was here waiting to entertain the daughter’s group here, and Helen was here, she was Helen Watson. 
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, really?  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Mm-hmm. 
KELLY POOLE:  Um, now that brings us up to World War II almost, does is not? 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  I was um--
KELLY POOLE:  Were you still selling tobacco in the war?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, no.  I was working on-- I got sick again with the same undulant fever.  Yeah, I think.  Then I felt-- I resigned and went back to the store and worked with them, with Dad until 1939 when Ray Roosevelt was-- came down and offered me a job at the bank.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  So I hired a friend of mine who was a classmate to take my place with Dad.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And then I worked for the bank and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  And what was the name of the bank?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Back then it was Florida Bank.
KELLY POOLE:  What?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Florida Bank.
[00:10:00] KELLY POOLE:  Oh, Florida Bank.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  And where did Ray come from?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Ohio.
KELLY POOLE:  Did you know?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, it was Ohio, and--
KELLY POOLE:  So, was he in a group?  The Winter Park people start that bank, or--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No-o-o!  No-no-no.  A group here saved the bank.  Kraft (inaudible at [0:10:20:0])?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  This man- he was a clothing manufacturer, and he-he--
KELLY POOLE:  Mr. Kraft was-uh... clothing?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh.  It wasn’t Kraft cheese.  It was another Kraft.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We have Kraft Gardens now, you know?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, and he was a clothing--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Clothing--
KELLY POOLE:  Manufacturer?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Clothing manufacturer.  Yeah, that was my understanding.
KELLY POOLE:  Where, from Ohio?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t know.  But anyway, there was another man, a rich man by the name of Harris that owned the thing at the time, but Mr. Kraft wasn’t really safe to be in that- during that holiday, you know (inaudible at [0:10:51:1]) holidays?
KELLY POOLE:  Oh yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And-uh, so I worked with him until I went in the Army...
[00:11:00] KELLY POOLE:  Now, that bank was on Park Avenue?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh yeah, y-yeah, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Where the Barnett Bank is now?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, across the street, across the street, where the clock is.
KELLY POOLE:  Where the clock is.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  So, had you had any banking training?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No.
KELLY POOLE:  Or Ray just thought you were--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I guess so.
KELLY POOLE:  A nice young man?  Honest young man.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  [Laughter] Honest man.  No, I learned a lot from the bank.  I really did.
KELLY POOLE:  Now, you were a cashier, there were you not?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  An assistant cashier.
KELLY POOLE:  A what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Assistant cashier.
KELLY POOLE:  Assistant cashier.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And I went in the Army in ’42 and got out at-uh... February of ’46.
KELLY POOLE:  Were you overseas?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No-o.  I stayed-- I went to Miami for basic training.  Went to Chicago for radio- radio school and came back down to Boca Raton.  I was there for two years and-uh-teaching night fighter radar, and-uh... went to California and-uh... stayed there at Lakeland Field the balance of the war on airplanes.  And one thing that’s quite interesting about that was that I and another fellow worked on the Enola Gray. The one that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima- Hiroshima, however you want to say it, and-uh...
[00:12:42] KELLY POOLE:  You didn’t know that at the time, did you?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No!  No.  Before they had guards running that thing off--there were just two of us.  Ordinarily, there’d be-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Was that in California?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Or Arizona?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, Mason Field.  Yeah, it left there and-uh... I think it went all the way to Guam.  I’m not sure.  And then left-- probably went to Hawaii and then to Guam, but then that’s where they sailed—flew from to drop the bomb, and-uh... we didn’t know what was on there-- [laughter].
[00:13:13] KELLY POOLE:  So, when you got out of the service in forty--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We got out of the service, came back and went to work in the bank.
KELLY POOLE:  Was that in ’45?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  ‘46.
KELLY POOLE:  ‘46.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  February of ’46 when I got out, and that’s when I met Mo shortly after-- you know, that--
KELLY POOLE:  I know, that’s--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Same year.
KELLY POOLE:  You came back just a couple of months before we moved to Winter Park?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh... and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  So you went back to the bank?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, went back to the bank and stayed there until ’53, and I decided to go back to the hardware store.  Dick was there with my dad, and so later on Dick wanted to go into the florist- I mean--
KELLY POOLE:  Nursery business?
[00:13:59] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Nursery business, and-uh... I bought out his share of it, and that’s where- I had it until- I sold it in ’72.  And I worked at a funeral home for a while.
KELLY POOLE:  The Baldwin Funeral Homes.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, mm-hmm, and-uh... finally retired, but I don’t want to talk to you about doing uh...
KELLY POOLE:  I want to go back and talk to you Winter Park.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, alright.
KELLY POOLE:  As you were growing up.  Um, you were in high school.  Were you playing baseball?  What did you do?  What were the sports?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We played basketball, and we didn’t have enough team- to make a team [laughter] much less anything else. Basketball, uh…
KELLY POOLE:  Was there a golf course in Winter Park?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I played golf--
KELLY POOLE:  And tennis courts?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The only tennis courts-- I played tennis-- They had a clay tennis court back of the City Hall.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, near the Chamber of Commerce?  Where the Chamber of Commerce used to be?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, in back of that, yeah.  A little green building that was the Chamber of Commerce.  You remember that? 
[00:15:01] KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.  With the open porch in the front, with all the rocking chairs?  You remember that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah!  I’d forgotten that.  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  And they had- not a bowling alley, um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They had a roquet--it was called roquet.  Not croquet, but it was roquet, because it had a little stone wall all the way around.  Boy the ball would bounce on that thing.  It was fun.
KELLY POOLE:  R-o-q-u-e-t?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Q-u-e, I guess.  I don’t really know.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter] 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But-uh, maybe there’s a t on it-- croquet has a t on it, yeah, but-um, no, we had a--
KELLY POOLE:  Tell me, what was on-- can you tell me anything about Park Avenue?  What was on Park Avenue?  Any theaters?  Any- ah, do you remember?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I recall- wait a minute!  Before that there was the cotton mill-- what was the name of that little...Baby Grand!  Baby Grand Theater.  About where the Winter Park Land Company is now, and they used to have Friday night grocery night.  They gave away groceries.  I can’t think what they called it.
[00:16:09] KELLY POOLE:  I guess they did that all over the south to get people to come--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  To the movies.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t know what it was called.
KELLY POOLE:  You won a prize anyhow, didn’t you?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  You won a prize, and owned Hopp-uh, Sheckles and Fuller Feed Store, where Bumby’s used to be, and now--
KELLY POOLE:  The what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Hopper Chevy Feed and Fertilizer?  And they were on the corner of Morrison and Park, just back of the--
KELLY POOLE:  Morrison and what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Morrison and Park.
KELLY POOLE:  Morrison and Park.
MAYNARD BALDWIN: Uh-huh.  Then-uh... then down the street from that, and Winter Park Land Company was there.  WCTU room was there, reading room.   Peoples’ grocery store and they also served lunches.  
[00:17:03] KELLY POOLE:  Irvine’s Drug Store--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Irvine’s.  Yeah!  That’s what it was, yeah. It was Peoples‘ before that.  
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, was it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  But he was still-- Irvine’s bought him-- he was a brother-- Irvine was a brother-in-law, I think, to Peoples.  He was the druggist.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And then the old Winter Park Bank was right there.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, when did the Winter Park Land Company--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was about where it is now.
KELLY POOLE:  It was always there.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I think so, yeah, and Dr. Hotard’s was on the corner.
KELLY POOLE:  I know.  Doris Woodruff had a beauty parlor in there, too.  You remember?  I used to go to her.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Near the WCTU room and--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I didn’t know that.  [Laughter]  I didn’t go in the beauty parlor.
KELLY POOLE:  Now, Rollins was--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They had a good football team around that time.  Real good.  Jack McDowell was there as the coach, and Jack ran it very good.  We used to go to the games over at the-- in Orlando and-uh... then let’s see, Baker’s Men’s Clothing, but Walter Shultz was there before him.
[00:18:18] KELLY POOLE:  That’s on the corner of Clark and Wellborn?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh, and Dr. Hotard’s was the same, just across the street from them.  And-uh, then R. F. Leedey was right beside Baker and then-uh, the hardware store.
KELLY POOLE:  When did R. F. Leedey--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Move?  
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t remember when....
KELLY POOLE:  Don’t remember?
KELLY POOLE:  Well, I think R. F. Leedey had a drug store on the corner of where the book store is now; where Taylor finally ended.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh, uh, I think he did that before my time.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I think he was a druggist, but I guess you might recall better.  Anyway, so he had a dry goods store there, and then we had the hardware store next door to him, and then upstairs Ole Doc Gardner-- he was-um-- took care of all the colored people.
[00:19:18] KELLY POOLE:  Doc Gardner?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.  Grocery--
KELLY POOLE:  Was he above your store?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, he was above-uh...  This was Gary’s then.  Gary’s Drug Store.  And-uh... three dollars a visit.  I went to him once or twice.  I don’t know why.
KELLY POOLE:  Well he was the town doctor.  Didn’t the town give him a car?  A motor car?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, they gave him a car.  They gave him a Chevrolet, now that I think of it.  But then Ronny Huff’s Grocery Store--
KELLY POOLE:  That was an elite Grocery Store, was it not?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was that.  It was nice.  I believe that there was a hardware store between the two stores-- yeah, I’m sure that’s where he started.
[00:20:06] KELLY POOLE:  Well, Arthur O’Hare from Ontario bought oh, um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Bought Roy out.
KELLY POOLE:  Right.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Right.  And then there was a little teeny spot in between there where the peanut man was, peanut vendor.  I don’t remember his name, and then-uh... there was Dolan’s Barber Shop, and then there was a shoe shop.
KELLY POOLE:  A bake shop, remember the bakery shop.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, it was the next block down, Brown’s Bakery Shop.  It was-uh... I can’t remember the old shoe shop man’s name, and then the chocolate shop.
KELLY POOLE:  The good old chocolate shop.  Hot chocolate.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah-- what was his name?  Stewart!  Jack Stewart had the chocolate shop, and then Dale Thompson had the bookery.
[00:21:03] KELLY POOLE:  The kids were all very fond of--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Bill?
KELLY POOLE:  Of Bill.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Were they.  Then you go across the street.  That’s where the bank was, then what was next to the bank?  Hmm.  I’m cold on that.
KELLY POOLE:  The dime store?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, the dime store-- They went where we were, between Gary’s and Leedey’s.  I can’t remember.  A liquor store later on was there beside that.  Then-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, how about the Hamilton Hotel?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was across the street.
KELLY POOLE:  Right next to Leedey’s.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, and-uh... before that there was an old, a big old barn house.  Big old barn-type building.
KELLY POOLE:  On Park Avenue?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Ahh, and it burned down.  Of course, that was before my time.
KELLY POOLE:  Was that on North Park Avenue?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, no, it was on-- There wasn’t one on Park Av-- North Park Avenue.
[00:22:02] KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, but where was this one you were talking about?  Where was it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Right on the corner of New England and Sparks, and it’s the--
KELLY POOLE:  Across from where the bank was then?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Across the street from where the bank was.  Which, later on was a Piggly Wiggly?
KELLY POOLE:  The name of that grocery store?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  And-um, then your Hamilton Hotel, and then Leedey’s moved there, and that’s that, and then-- well, we had the Hamilton Grill in there.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And then the next part was with the Arch Hardware and Furniture Company.  They had to go up first--
KELLY POOLE:  Now you’re talking about on the west side of Park Avenue, like--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, on the west side.  Then on-- back across on across the street was a Jennifer’s Barber Shop--oh, Hogue’s Salvage and Tin.  Before that it was Bob Miller.  Had a hardware store-- I mean had the Salvage then right before he went over and started Miller’s Hardware.  
[00:23:11] KELLY POOLE:  Oh, uh-huh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He really started out with washing machines and stuff instead of hardware for a while.
KELLY POOLE:  Was that part of the street called-- it’s now Fairbanks, but was that Orange?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, it was Orange, yeah. 
KELLY POOLE:  That was Fairbanks.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  It starts Orange across the railroad tracks and drove a little bit west, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Well now I’ve asked you about Rollins.  Rollins was there.  Can you tell me anything about the west side?  Was that-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was full of people--
KELLY POOLE:  I beg your pardon?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was full of people.  There was a lot of vacant lots now, you know, but there were a lot of people over there, and-uh- I don’t know much about it, except it’s called Hannibal Square.  It’s down the end-uh, but there were a lot of people-- probably it’s all been bought.
KELLY POOLE:  What?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The property has all been bought up.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN: By the whites and...They probably only have about a tenth of the population.
[00:24:13] KELLY POOLE:  Probably so.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  Well that’s what happened.  The young people went north, and the older people couldn’t afford to keep it up. 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Now, let’s see.  Was the golf course there when you were growing up-- do you remember anything about that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh, let’s see, the Winter Park Golf Course, it was gone when I was here.  Before that, you know, it was 18 holes.  Went well-- went way back, it’s all the way over to 1792 and back this way.
KELLY POOLE:  Now, put those streets in because you’re waving your arms down, and I can’t get that on my tape.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  You can’t, huh?  You can’t see me wave?  [Laughter] 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Ahh.  That’s when they had- she- when I visited up here, you know, we were still in Bowling Green.  We visited Uncle Don and grandma Mavins, and that’s where Uncle Don played-- on that old course, and they had sheep out there that would mow the yard--
[00:25:11] KELLY POOLE:  Now, exactly where was that-um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Where it is now, more or less.
KELLY POOLE:  And it extended all the way to--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  All the way to--
KELLY POOLE:  1792?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, cause then it had 18 holes, and now it’s only got 9 holes.  Yeah, that-uh... called West Avenue, where that little old lake is by the, you know, across from Ivy’s.  It’s not Ivy’s anymore.
KELLY POOLE:  The mall.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, anyway it’s across from the water hole.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I walked around with my uncle when I was a kid and played in there, but there--
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, but there was a lake, behind the Webster Street School.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Lou Haines told me there was a lake there when she was growing up.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that’s right.  There’s still a pond there.  They built in a lot of it, but there’s still a little pond there.  I think there is.  
[00:25:58] KELLY POOLE:  I don’t know.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But there was a lake there.  That was the water hole for the golf course.  Then the old lumber yard gold course started up during the boom.  Mr. Shepherd, F.W. Shepherd was one of the...  
KELLY POOLE:  In Winter Park?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, way out there where the hospital is now, and it was an 18-hole course, and I played out there a lot.  That’s where I learned to play.  I used to play with Gary, Dr. Hotard, Bill Bailey, Mr. Shepherd, my dad, Carl Galloway, and the boys I played with, uh...Claude and Gary Jr. and Joe Galloway, and most of the time I played by myself.
KELLY POOLE:  Did you have a golf post?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  A what?
KELLY POOLE:  A golf cart?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, actually you walked, and you carried your own clubs.
KELLY POOLE:  Well now, was that where Alomar and Lake run?  Is that where you’re talking about?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Mm-hmm.
[00:27:00] KELLY POOLE:  And then what happened?  They started selling the property?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well--
KELLY POOLE:  Because you remember, the Department of Ag--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They went broke!
KELLY POOLE:  The Department of Agriculture had that big building on the corner--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that’s right, so--
KELLY POOLE:  Where Walgreen’s and that is?  You remember?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It went with the club itself--
KELLY POOLE:  It what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It finally went belly-up, but I played-I watched Gene Sarazen play out there, Johnny Ferrell.  Carl Van Jr. was quite a golfer then, you know?
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Carl Van, Jr.  His daddy--
KELLY POOLE:  What is?
MAYNARD BALDWIN: Started the [Inaudible 00:27:35] And-uh... Fred Ward, Jr., who was Treasurer of the college played-- he was a pretty good player, and-uh... Val George was a pro then-- he was a real good golfer.  He was better than Sam Sneed, and-uh... I don’t think Sam Sneed ever played there, though, but he got James Harrison to come, and he got Johnny Ferrell, who was a PGA Champ, and-- Johnny Ferrell and Carl Van, Jr., and Fred Ward, and Val George played an exhibition foursome.  I followed them around and watched them.  Poor old Fred-- he was so nervous, he-- [laughter].  Yeah, he shot terribly, but the rest of them were real good.
[00:28:21] KELLY POOLE:  Now Don George became the pro 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  At the club here.
KELLY POOLE:  At the Winter Park Club?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:   I don’t know when that was started back up again.  Do you remember?
KELLY POOLE:  No, hm-mm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was gone when you came?
KELLY POOLE:  Well, yes, uh-huh, George was there.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep.  Well, he--
KELLY POOLE:  Well, what-- back to what big events were happening in Winter Park during your growing up.  Can you remember?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  About the biggest thing was the animated magazines.  Dr. Grover was the editor.  I mean they had all these famous people--
KELLY POOLE:  Well, did Dr. Grover start it or did--
[00:29:00] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He helped put it--
KELLY POOLE:  Or I thought it was Hamilton Holt, but Dr.-- what’s his name?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Grover?
KELLY POOLE:  But Grover was-uh... he was the editor.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  And he used to be held in the Sand Bowl with the--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, where the Sandspur--
KELLY POOLE:  Sandspur Bowl.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Bowl, yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  In February, oh, outside.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, yep, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Do you remember any of the people that-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, Thomas Edison was there.
KELLY POOLE:  Ooh!  He wasn’t still alive, was he?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He surely was.  This was back in--I’m talking about back when I was a boy scout, in 1925 or something like that, 1924, and it was-uh...
KELLY POOLE:   Was Hamilton Holt the president then?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t think so.  I think that...
KELLY POOLE:  We came here in the 40’s, and Hamilton Holt was--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He was president then.
KELLY POOLE:  Was president then.
[00:30:00] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, He wasn’t president... 
KELLY POOLE:  I didn’t realize that the animated magazine went back to the 20’s.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It went back a long way.  To Edison, and hmmm-- can’t think of that person who was the president then.
KELLY POOLE:  It wasn’t Dr. Hooker.  He was the first.  [Laughter]
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Dr. Vincent was the--
KELLY POOLE:  Dr. Vincent was at--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Minister of the church when I joined it.
KELLY POOLE:  How old were you when you joined it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Twelve--
KELLY POOLE:  So, that would be back--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  1924.
KELLY POOLE:  1924.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Twelve.  I don’t know.  The old dinky was here, and we used to swim at Wally’s...
KELLY POOLE:  You know what I want to ask you?  I want to ask you about these pranks that you and your brother and the rest of your gang used to get into.
[00:31:01] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, we don’t have to tell that kind of stuff, so-- [laughter].
KELLY POOLE:  I’d like to hear some--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Not on tape.  We threw a lot of oranges on Halloween.  I can tell you that.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].  At what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, light bulbs and whatever was moving.
KELLY POOLE:  Who was Chief of Police then?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, Ray Wesson, I think.
KELLY POOLE:  You weren’t familiar with him?  [Laughter] 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I knew him but I-uh, I didn’t get into trouble. 
KELLY POOLE:  You were a little goody-goody.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I had better sense than to get in jail.
KELLY POOLE:  Did they have a fire department then?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh sure.  Walter Sachse was the Fire Chief.
KELLY POOLE:  He was Fire Chief forever, was he not?  How do you spell that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  S-a-c-h-s-e, I think--there’s an “H” in there.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, that-uh... they used to have water brigades when the fire alarm went off.  Were you one of the volunteer firemen at any time?
[00:32:07] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I wasn’t that old.  Ha-ha-ha.  No.  No.  He-uh... Ray Wesson wasn’t the first chief, I believe.  I can’t think what his name was.  Mike was his son-- Overstreet!  He was chief for a long time.  He was a bad man, mean as far as I’m concerned, but-uh.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, who was the Chief of Police then?  Was Buck?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No-o-o.  Buck wasn’t Chief of Police until 1939 or ’40, back in there, so when Dad was City Commissioner and--
KELLY POOLE:  Alright, let’s discuss the city government.  If your dad was Commissioner--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, he was Commissioner-- he was eight years on the Commission I believe.
KELLY POOLE:  Do you remember who else was on?
[00:33:05] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah-uh, Bill Bailey was on at one time.  R. C. Baker was on.
KELLY POOLE:  Any time when your father was there?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  Was R. C. the Mayor?  Who was the Mayor?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Coleman, B. R. Coleman was the Mayor.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, he wasn’t there until the 40’s.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, that’s Buck’s daddy.
KELLY POOLE:  I’m talking about-about--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh, well, he was--
KELLY POOLE:  Unless he was-- unless he was Mayor for 20 years.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, he was Mayor for sure.  I don’t know how long, but-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  He was Mayor when we came here in the 40’s.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Was he?
KELLY POOLE:  Yup.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, he was Mayor several years, because Baker was Mayor after him, I’m almost sure....nope, you don’t think so? 
KELLY POOLE:  Hm-mm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, I won’t argue with you [laughter].  Uh, then uh…
KELLY POOLE:  There was a Fire Department, and there was a Police Department.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, uh-huh.
[00:34:00] KELLY POOLE:  You remember how many churches we had in town?  You weren’t that old, so Winter Park was well on its way when you…
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, yeah.  All we have left is up Presbyterian.  There was--
KELLY POOLE:  All we have now is what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We had-- The Presbyterian was not here.  There was one in Orlando.  They had some kind of disagreement and the congregation wouldn’t go over there.  And they wouldn’t come over here, and...But that’s all over now.
KELLY POOLE:  Well then, when Martin Company moved in here you--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Who?
KELLY POOLE:  When the Martin Company moved in, when there were a lot of Presbyterians, rich Presbyterians, and they started their own church.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Is that’s what started it?
KELLY POOLE:  That’s what started it.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  A lot of the Methodists left there with that, and some of our congregation left there, too.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, it was a society church at the time.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, It was.  That’s the reason I’m not there, I guess.
[00:35:00] KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].  Me and you.  Me and thee.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But we--
KELLY POOLE:  Okay, now let’s get back to your romance.  So you got back from the war, and you were working at the bank, and-um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, Margaret asked me to go out on a date with her--
KELLY POOLE:  Margaret Moran asked you--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yes, to have a date with a friend of hers coming down from Atlanta, and so Saturday night we went over to her house and we (inaudible at [0:35:30:5]), and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  This was in-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was November, November the 9th, and I had a date with her--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  1946.
KELLY POOLE:  That’s right.  I had a date with her every night.  June the 13th--that’s when I proposed to her, because she was going back to Atlanta the next day.  So, She came back down in December.  I gave her a ring, then I went up there after Christmas to visit with her family, and then we had a telephone bill every month [Laughter] I was probably making $200 a month, and that was for the telephone bill.  Oh, well, she-- we got married March the 8th.
[00:36:15] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  In Atlanta.
KELLY POOLE:  Yep, in Atlanta.  Presbyterian church.
KELLY POOLE:  At a Presbyterian church?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.  I can’t remember-- You’ll have to ask her what the name of the church was.  I don’t remember.  But-uh... came back from Macon the first night at the Dempsey Hotel.  We went back up there to visit some friends, well, a couple, three years ago, and that hotel was turned into a condo sort of a place.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  So we couldn’t go in and look around, but-uh... we came over to Daytona for the rest of our honeymoon.
KELLY POOLE:  You what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Daytona?  For the rest of the honeymoon and came home broke.
[00:37:04] KELLY POOLE:  Well now, have you been-- after you came back from the war were you living with your parents on Richmond Road?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Not here, but I bought this house in 1943.  My uncle-- during the war they used to rent the big house for a hundred bucks a month and rent out-- the rental house at $25 a month.
KELLY POOLE:  And where did they live?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They lived, well here-- wherever they rented, and they were renting this.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, they rented it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  While I was in the army-- and she wrote me and said well, she’d buy this house.  It was for sale.  I said okay, buy it.  
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter] Yeah, I’m a banker.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I came up-- I had $1500.  Bought it for $3500, and I had to borrow $2000 from Henry Winslow, open note, promissory note.  That was the-- 
KELLY POOLE:  From Winslow?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Henry Winslow, yep.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, I forgot about the book store, the Winslow book store.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  That was his brother, Billy’s brother.  Yep, that was Tim.
KELLY POOLE:  Tim.  Mm-hmm.
[00:38:01] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  So I had just paid for it when I met Mozelle, and-uh... yeah, we had a skinny honeymoon.  Spent all my money.  Oh well.  We got by. 
KELLY POOLE:  Well now your parents were living across the street--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, they moved right across the street when she and I moved in there.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, they rented the big house during the winter.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  During the winter.  That’s right.
KELLY POOLE:  For a hundred dollars a month.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:   Wow, and so you bought this house and rented to them until you moved in.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that’s right.
KELLY POOLE:  And you’ve lived here ever since.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Haven’t moved.
KELLY POOLE:  Tell me about the changes. If it’s--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I never moved in the house.
KELLY POOLE:  It’s beautiful now.  I know where we are sitting now with an open--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Screened porch.
KELLY POOLE:  Screened porch.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But it’s just half this wide.
KELLY POOLE:  Just what?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Just half this wide.
KELLY POOLE:  That’s right.  Um-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was 7-1/2 feet wide, and this is 15 feet wide now.  
KELLY POOLE:  It’s a beautiful room.  There’s a fireplace on the end and windows all around, and the plantings-- your azaleas and everything are just beautiful.
[00:39:03] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well.
KELLY POOLE:  Now okay.  Now Mozelle came back with you, and she got work.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, well first she-uh... was-uh... a lady, and about three months she said, “I’m tired of this.”  Put a sign in the store window.  An article.  Published an article.  I did and I’m telling you about two or three months after that I had to take that sign out of the window.  She had all she could do, and we just grew from there.  She met a lot of people like, well Billie Green, and she worked for her, but the main one that she really worked for was Vivian Hausen.  She was so good to Vivian.
KELLY POOLE:  She started working for Vivian back in the 40’s?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, real early.  Uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, she worked for her for over 40 years then.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, a long time.
[00:40:02] KELLY POOLE:  Managed everything for her.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh yes.  But Vivi-- she had worked up the courage to travel.  She just insisted that we go to Europe, so we did in 1966.  That was-- we had a terrible time.  The airplane strike was on.  
KELLY POOLE:  Well, you did very well from a poor little banker to-- buy a house and go to Europe.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We started investing a long time ago-- don’t even have to tell you.  We’re lucky we did.  But anyway, the plane...we couldn’t get a flight out to go to Europe, so Ken Wacker said-uh, the Rotarians have a berth on the U.S.S. America.  If I can get that, will you go on a ship?  We said, “Sure.”  That was fine.  Well, that was in New York.  We still couldn’t get to New York.  We tried to go get the trains loaded.  No, and finally Mozelle...just two or three days before we were supposed to go.  She walked over to the station, and the man said she got lucky, we had just put on some more cars, and we rode the train up there.  Old Hattie Beachum, remember her?  The black lady.
KELLY POOLE:  Um-hmm.  
[00:41:24] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She was on that train going to some convention up in New York, and Mozelle says, “Hattie, you got any fried chicken with you?”  “Yes ma’am!” [laughter].  You know, she had (inaudible at [0:41:34:9]).  
KELLY POOLE:  She used to cook for the Women’s Convalescence dinners.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She had some cake.  She says, “Mrs. Bellman, you ain’t going to believe how much butter I got in this thing!”  She told me...I don’t know what it was...it was about a pound of butter in that cake. It was good.  But we got--
KELLY POOLE:   So you’re overnight on the train to New York?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yes, New York, and a good friend of ours, Martin Marshall, who used to live across...right next door to us.
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
[00:42:05] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Mark Lichtenstein then, but his stage name was Martin Marshall, and we saw him on the stage at “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum.”
KELLY POOLE:  Now, what was his name?  Lichtenstein?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Lichtenstein.  L-I-C-H-T-E-N-S-T-E-I-N.
KELLY POOLE:  Um-hmm.  Did he meet you in New York?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He lived in New York.  He was an actor.  He went to Rawlins.  He graduated from Rawlins.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, he lived across the street with his mother?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yes, right next door.
KELLY POOLE:  Um-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And his stage name is well, Martin-- Marshall!  But he took us in that night off the train and put us on the ship the next morning, and so we got to Europe, and Lester, Mozelle’s brother, Lester, met us at the-- no, we just got on the train.  Went to Paris, and he met us in Paris.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, where did you land?  In England or France?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  In France, (inaudible at [0:43:00:1]).  I forgot.  Big port there, and it’s a little train.
[00:43:07] KELLY POOLE:  Well, would Rotary have a convention over there.  Is that how--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t know, but they just kept a separate state room, apparently for their members.  
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We had--it was an outside state room.  It was nice.  Boy, wow, it was real nice.  We met a Jewish couple who were going back to Israel.  They lived on a kibbutz.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and they’d been over here for a sabbatical of some sort.  And old Max and Fran Wiesenberger had of course champagne and roses on our dresser in the state room of the ship.  So, we shared this champagne with this Jewish couple, the last night we were on there, and I don’t know if you remember his name, but he said to his wife, “Don’t you think the kibbutz could afford another bottle of champagne?”  My golly, we had another champagne!  We had a big old night.
[00:44:06] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  So, that was the beginning of your traveling days.
KELLY POOLE:  That was the beginning of our traveling, and it was wonderful.  We just had a-- I think that was the best trip we ever had, to tell you the truth about it.
KELLY POOLE:  You what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Best trip we ever had, I believe.  
KELLY POOLE:  Um-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We did Italy thoroughly.  We even got into the Blue Grotto at the Isle of Capri.
KELLY POOLE:  A lot of times you can’t get into it because of the tides, so we were just lucky.  A beautiful place.  But Vivian Hausen...  
KELLY POOLE:  Who was?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Vivian Hausen--
KELLY POOLE:  Was responsible for you get--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Was responsible.  Oh, she raised all these trip places.  She knew what to do.  
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Knew where all these places were at.  But she said she was in a hotel of some sort above that grotto, and she went down there on the stairs inside and went swimming naked in there [laughter].
KELLY POOLE:  Good for Vivian.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Good for Vivian.
[00:45:01] KELLY POOLE:  Now maybe you better tell me about Vivian.  Who was she?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She was a Barbour, and they had that big estate, and right across from the old Winter Park Country Club--
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  That’s where-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  B-a-r-b-o-u-r?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.  Robert Holland is--
KELLY POOLE:  He’s still working.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  That’s the boy, yeah, and-uh... she lived out-um, I forgot where she lived-- across the-- she eventually ended up in the Whispering Waters.  That’s where she lived most of the time over in New York.
KELLY POOLE:  We’ve got to get back now to your one and only son.  Where was Rusty born?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Rusty was born in Orlando-- that’s at Orange Hardware, I me--
KELLY POOLE:  Orange Hardware!  Well!  [Laughter]
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Orange--
KELLY POOLE:  Memorial!
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Orange Memorial it was, yeah, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  What year was Rusty born?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Forty-nine in October, and he was a good student, and he went to the University of Florida and graduated and was-uh, did business school, and-uh, then he took the CPA exam, passed that, and he went to-uh, he took--he got another degree from Rawlins, going at night.
KELLY POOLE:  Did he get his masters...MBA?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh, and masters, an MBA, yeah, and he worked for W. O’Daily for five years.  Got his experience.
KELLY POOLE:  W. O’ who? 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Daily.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, Daily.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  He was the big, chief big--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Orange Grove co-op specialist.  So Rusty traveled all over the states for him, even up to-uh…
[00:47:07] KELLY POOLE:  So-um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But Rusty met May at the university.
KELLY POOLE:  She was a local girl, was she not?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh.  She was born in Chicago, but she came down here as a child.  Her dad worked for Martin Marietta and-uh... she was a sophomore when he was a senior, and she went back up there for a little bit, couldn’t stand it and came back down here, and they got married.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, she had already finished her--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yes, she finished that at UCF.
KELLY POOLE:  After they were married.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-huh, yeah, and then--
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, was she teaching all the time and she didn’t have her--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, she didn’t teach until she got her degree, or whatever.  But after five years, Rusty came back and went into business by himself upstairs down on Park Avenue.  Over...anyway, about where Bakers used to be.  Ren’s had the business store there.  Ren’s, that’s--
[00:48:13] KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, you go over Ren’s--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, he was over their store, yeah, and he stayed there a short time, and then he and Neil O’Brien and Rick bought that building where he is now, out on 2485 Park Avenue North, which is the last in building Winter Park.
KELLY POOLE:  Is that almost where--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Right next to where ABC Liquor Store used to be.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter]
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Maybe, sure.  Louis did-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  That was Louis had a place there for a short time.
KELLY POOLE:  Louis who?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  (inaudible at [0:48:45:3]).  Who were you thinking about.
KELLY POOLE:  I was thinking of the name of the street that’s in Louisville--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, yeah-yeah-yeah, Louisiana.
KELLY POOLE:  Louisiana.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  That’s north of that.
KELLY POOLE:  Just north where the north part comes in-- Louisiana comes into North Park.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.
[00:49:00] KELLY POOLE:  That’s where his office is now.  Does he have any partners?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, he took on a partner, a girl, who’s been with him a long time, so he sold her a little bit of it.
KELLY POOLE:  Uh-huh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And then he has two other girls that are very efficient with him, he’s still growing.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, just doing great.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, he is.  Yes, he is.
KELLY POOLE:  Isn’t that wonderful?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It is.  It surely is.
KELLY POOLE:  And he has-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He had three kids.
KELLY POOLE:  Now, tell us about the wonderful grandchildren.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, Mike is 23, I believe, and he finished up at FSU this summer.
KELLY POOLE:  What’s he majoring in?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  In-uh... math-- in business, and Kelly is 20, and she’s going to UCF.  No Valencia!  But when she finishes that she’s going to go back at the University of Florida [laughter].
KELLY POOLE:  She’s going to go back to the University of Florida?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, she went up there and--
KELLY POOLE:  Had a good time.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Had a real good time [laughter].
[00:50:04] KELLY POOLE:  For six months.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah [laughter].  Joined a sorority.
KELLY POOLE:  Rusty really was hard on her, but I guess that was good, wasn’t it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But she’s settled down now.  She’s just wonderful.  Her attitude has changed tremendously.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, they grow up, Jim.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, but she joined a sorority that her grandmother belonged to...
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, Pi Phi, and-uh... I-I-- she’s just elated.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].  She was a real sorority girl.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She had a good time, but anyway, she’s settled down and doing beautiful now.
KELLY POOLE:  She’s a beautiful girl.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She sure is, and Annie is 15, and she’s going to middle school, doing real well, and she’s a soccer player.  She even had her picture in the paper, a week or so ago.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, well, that team went to the state league, you know.  They won this division here, but they lost 1 to nothing up there.  
KELLY POOLE:  Oh.
[00:51:01] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Tough game.
KELLY POOLE:   So, it’s hopeful that she’ll get a soccer scholarship.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I don’t know about that.  I don’t know.  She could.  Cause she made the--oh, the second team for this division around in this area here.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  So she’s a good player.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, they all seem like a wonderful family, and it was great to be with all of it, your 50th wedding anniversary last week at the Farmer’s Market.  What a party!
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  What a party.  Yeah, we had a good time.  Sure was good.  Well, that--
KELLY POOLE:  So now you are into retirement?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Plumb [laughter], yeah, I haven’t done a job-- didn’t even take my real estate license over again.
KELLY POOLE:  You what?  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Didn’t take my-- huh?  You know, I had my real estate license--
KELLY POOLE:  Did you take it over again?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, I dropped it.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, you dropped it.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  (inaudible at [0:52:00:6]) cause she’s the-uh... broker for (inaudible at [0:52:03:8]).
KELLY POOLE:  For what?  Oh, for the--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  (inaudible at [0:52:07:3]).
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, that’s right.  You have a beautiful apartment over at New Smyrna.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  New Smyrna, yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, would you like to talk about that development in New Smyrna?  I’ll--
[00:52:18] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, we were in on the ground floor of that.  We--  before it was even built we put our five-hundred dollars down, and old Jackson, Francis Jackson, who instigated getting into that thing-- Mozelle tells the story she called him up one day to sell him something, and he sold to her on the- on the--
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].  He’s with State Farm Insurance Company.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and-uh... he is one of the builders of it, one of seven members.
KELLY POOLE:  Uh-huh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And we got into it early.  We- we- they had eight and they had their seven, and they were our pick for number eight.
KELLY POOLE:  O-oh.  That-that’s one of the nicest right there where you--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It’s a real nice place.  It surely is.
KELLY POOLE:  We’ve all enjoyed it so much at your expense!
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Wow, it’s fun to have everybody.  It’s no good if you can’t share it, and-uh…
KELLY POOLE:  And Mozelle have really been wonderful in sharing your beautiful home and your beach home with so many of us.  
[00:53:20] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, thank you.  Our pleasure, for sure.  But anyway, it’s been good to talk to you, Kelly, and I-uh.
KELLY POOLE:  Got anything else we can discuss that happened in Winter Park over the years?  Oh come on, now.  You were a Commissioner also.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I was a City Commissioner.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, tell us about that.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  What years were you a Commissioner?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Were you two ter-- two terms? 
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh, sixty-six to seventy-two, I think it was.
KELLY POOLE:  What?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Sixty-six to seventy-two, I think it was.  I’m not positive.  I’ve forgotten.  I was on six years, over there, but-uh... there were seven of us that ran for two seats, and Dan (inaudible at [0:53:56:05]) won.  Uh, the two seats that were open, and the next-- three years later I ran again and had no opposition.  That was real nice.
KELLY POOLE:  That was easy.
[00:54:10] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  But after that- after being there six years I’d had enough. 
KELLY POOLE:  Had you enjoyed your term?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, I-- yeah, it was quite an experience, a real good experience.  That’s where I learned to speed-read.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, [laughter], and remember.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and remember.  Boy, you have to.  The paperwork is--
KELLY POOLE:  Did Dan go on then to become Mayor your last--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Dan was the Mayor.  Yeah, he ran for Mayor-- he and I were there three-years, that’s a Commissioner for three years, then he ran for Mayor next time, and then he got me to take his place as a Commissioner, but-uh, it was fun.  Six good years.  I want to say it put Rusty through college [laughter].
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, the pay from your--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It helped put him through college.
KELLY POOLE:  So, the pay was ten dollars a month, and I remember not to exceed a hundred dollars a year.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh no, I--
KELLY POOLE:  That was before you got--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Dad used to get two dollars a meeting when he was commissioner.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, when Linda was Mayor.  Oh, then he got this on the ballot, and they voted to raise the pay.  What’d you get, three-hundred dollars a year or something like that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, we got I think two-hundred dollars a month, I guess it was.
KELLY POOLE:  I guess that’s what it was, yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, we got two-hundred dollars a month, and-uh... the Mayor got a little bit more, I don’t remember how much. Fifty dollars, maybe.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But the Park Avenue has certainly changed now.  We only have station down there, and everybody trained at Standard Oil.  He and Jack and his brother Frank and-uh... Florida Power used to be downtown.  (inaudible at [0:56:00:0]) was on Park Avenue, South Park Avenue.  A long time ago, where his place is about, was the little placed called the Witching Hour, and-uh... they had hamburgers and Cokes.  The neighborhood kids all met there.  They used to meet there in the afternoon, and play penny-ante poker.  We used to play baseball on Sandspur Field when I was in grammar school, uh... we played-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Who’d you play?
[00:56:38] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Where?
KELLY POOLE:  Who did you play?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, just the other grades, at the school.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, not Orlando or--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No-o-o.  No, no, huh-uh.  Now, the only time we every played any big baseball, really with them when they had a league of 12-year-olds.  I guess you could be 14- you could be 14 years old.  It was-uh, it had to do with the YMCA somewhere, though I forgot where, but then we played all the other ones, but-uh, I was the pitcher.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, were you?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  A chucker, yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  Did you have visions of becoming a major--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No.
KELLY POOLE:  Player.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, huh-uh.  Well, I was a good pitcher, anyway.  But anyway, I don’t think I new anything else, you know.  Not much.  
[00:57:31] KELLY POOLE:  Well, then what do you think about things in Winter Park now, and do you think they’re for the better?  What’s going on...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I guess so.  It’s too bad that there aren’t any local merchants anymore, where you could go buy ten-cents worth of screws or nails, but-uh... Millers is the only place, but their stuff is package now, just like all the other big stores around, chain stores, and they are a chain store in that they belong to the-uh... a big chain.  They compete on price with the other stores.  I got out because of hardware because of those chain stores that came, and they- they sold all my stuff at my cost almost.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And I thought well, I’m not going fight that anymore.
KELLY POOLE:  Who bought your building?  Did you own the building or were you renting it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, I didn’t.  I tried to buy it from Bud Owens.
KELLY POOLE:  Bud owned it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  But his daddy wouldn’t let him sell.  And-uh, then-uh... Ren, Ren came home and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  That’s when you were in the other block?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that’s where we were most of the time, down across from the Colony Theater. 
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, in South- on South Park.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We were there from ’31 to--
KELLY POOLE:  I thought you said Ren came along.  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Ren- Ren came, and he bought our building.
KELLY POOLE:  Ren the-uh... clothier man?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh.
KELLY POOLE:  What was he going to do?  Just an investment?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, he- no, he’s- he thought- he thought he was going--
KELLY POOLE:  He had men’s clothing down there on the corner of Wellborn and Park?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, that’s right.  Then he came, and they put in a red carpet, and they built a fancy little place for a cash register out in the middle of the store, and-uh... they put- brought clothes in there too, along with the hardware, and they were trying to make it into a country hardware store.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and they--
KELLY POOLE:  Well, what year was that?
[00:59:27] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Seventy-two, and-um it didn’t last that long.  I think he closed it up and sold-uh... liquidated his- the store itself and-uh... rented it to somebody else.
KELLY POOLE:  Was there a men’s store in there for a while?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that was right next door south of this one.
KELLY POOLE:  What was the name of it?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh-the Toggery.
KELLY POOLE:  The Toggery, yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well you know, before that Ken’s Book Store was there, Ken and Linda’s little book store was there.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Then the Toggery came.
KELLY POOLE:  Ken-Ken-Ken-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Ken Winslow.
KELLY POOLE:  Winslow?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and-uh... Graves was next door to them…
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Graves, T. W. Graves.  They owned the electric store.  
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, T. W. Graves, yeah.
KELLY POOLE:  And-uh, another store just below that on the corner.  It was a burger booth.  People stay there for a long while then go.  Um…
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  What were they selling?
KELLY POOLE:  Well, Brett did have a sundry store there. Uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Merritt?
KELLY POOLE:  Brett Merritt, yeah.  He had a sundry store there for a while.  Another fellow before that-- his name was Bill Norris.  He had a drug st- not a drug store but a sundry store, and-uh... o-oh back when I was in grammar school Ira Johnson had a sundry store then.  We used to go across the street there--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Howard Johnson’s?
KELLY POOLE:  No, Ira.  He was--later he was a “Sentinel Star” carrier and his wife-- I think she worked as at the cafeteria at school for a while, but Bobby Johnson was in the school with me, my class, and his brother Bill Johnson was a class or so above me.  We played a lot of tennis with Bill Johnson.  He was left-handed.  He used to play with-uh... it was a foursome.  He used to play tennis there at that old clay court with Dutton Farrington, R. F. Leedey…
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  R. F. Leedey. 
KELLY POOLE:  Who?
[01:01:38] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  R. F. Leedey and-uh... I don’t remember who the other two were, but I remember those two.  They weren’t worth a rib. [laughter]. 
KELLY POOLE:  That’s why they were so tall and slim all their lives!  Ha!
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  When he was a kid I could beat him, but-uh... we had a good time.  Winter Park was a nice little town--
KELLY POOLE:  Were the Leedey kids in school with you?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Uh, they were below me.
KELLY POOLE:  Everett?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Everett was a grade below, and Loraine was a grade below that, and Bubba was in there someplace.  I don’t know where.  I forgot he- he came back-- I saw him at some funeral, I guess.  
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, he lives on-um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He lives over (inaudible at [1:02:20:5]). 
KELLY POOLE:  North Park Avenue.  Who, Bubba?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, Bubba lives out in Washington or New Orleans or someplace.
[01:02:27] KELLY POOLE:  No, they have a house that Loraine and-um--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Who, Jack Stewart?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, Jack and Loraine (inaudible at [1:02:37:2]).
KELLY POOLE:  They gave it to them, her brother.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, is that right?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah-um.  You know, it’s on North Park Avenue.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, Keisel lives east here now.
KELLY POOLE:  You know, remember where the Keisels used to live on North--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh yeah, I remember where.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, all that area north--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Um-hmm, um-hmm.
KELLY POOLE:  That’s where that brother’s living.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I didn’t realize that.
KELLY POOLE:  And of course, Everett and Tothaway are out in the country near-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They live out on 50, I think.
KELLY POOLE:  What’s the name of that area?  I keep thinking of-uh, it starts with an “O”.  Anyhow…
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Anyhow, I don’t know.  I forgot.  I know there’s a highway, Dixie Highway out there.  Not Dixie Highway, Chaney Highway.  It’s-uh, but-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Did you know the Chaney family?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I knew him.  The judge-uh, through Rotary, I think.  He’s a nice man.
KELLY POOLE:  Highly thought of, wasn’t he?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  What?
KELLY POOLE:  He was very highly thought of.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh yeah, he was a real gentleman, real fine man, but-uh....well, I can’t think of anything else.  I didn’t get in any trouble.  
[01:04:04] KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter].  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh boy.  But this was all just, the land across the street was nothing, just-- but across the stream-- a little stream goes in back of that house.
KELLY POOLE:  Back of here?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  Dick and I used to camp out out back there and all the kids around here.  We had a good time out-- all-- 
KELLY POOLE:  Well, does it go into Lake- uh... Virginia?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The stream does, yeah, uh-huh.  It’s not called Snake Run, but you know, Snake Run is a continuation of all the lakes in Winter Park, and Maitland going on out to.  They called it Snake Run, and then now it’s called something else, I think.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm. Times do change.
[01:04:55] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, I know you’ve lived through several hurricanes here--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep.
KELLY POOLE:  And managed to survive.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep.
KELLY POOLE:  And the freezes.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yap.
KELLY POOLE:  Yep.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep.
KELLY POOLE:  Yep.
KELLY POOLE:  I remember one time one hurricane came through here-uh.  Rusty and his friend Michael were sleeping on this couch here, just across here, and-uh... Mozelle was out in the bedroom in there, and she couldn’t sleep.  She kept coming out here to see about them.  And they were up here watching the wind blowing, the rain blowing.  I finally picked up my mattress and brought it in here and threw it down on the floor.  I said, “Here, you just fall asleep here,” you know?  Can’t sleep an- and then she got in that bed and went right to sleep on the floor right here.
KELLY POOLE:  And she what, she couldn’t go to sleep?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Not then.  She couldn’t go sleep in there.
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, you brought the mattress-- I thought you- I thought you said “matches,” and I wanted to know--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, mattress.  I said called it a mattress--
KELLY POOLE:  But your windows weren’t broken or anything like that?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No.
KELLY POOLE:  How about the big trees all around you?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, the big old tree around there was leaned over.  There’s a dip in there now.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
[01:06:00] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It was thinking about coming over--
KELLY POOLE:  It was thinking about coming over?  [Laughter].  
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, thinking about coming over.
KELLY POOLE:  But it thought differently.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I’ll tell you something we had that sounds-- we had a septic tank with eternal trouble.  You know, when we first got married people came from Atlanta to see us.  Every time they did that damn thing would run--
KELLY POOLE:  {Laughter].  Got in more trouble.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  I’d go out and dig that thing up.
KELLY POOLE:  You were a handyman to have around.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Boy, when they came along with the sewer that’s, I said, “That’s our best seven-hundred dollars Mozelle ever spent out there.”  Old George Wannacott put it in.
KELLY POOLE:  [Laughter]  Wannacott, W--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  A-n-n-a-c-o-t-t I think.
KELLY POOLE:  Boy, you’re good at spelling, Maynard.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  No, I’m not either.  Ask Mozelle. 
KELLY POOLE:  Then you built that beautiful apartment above your garage.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, that’s for her, for Mozelle’s mama.  Built--
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, Mrs. Starr came to live with you.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  She came, yeah, she came to live with us when her, when Mr. Starr died.  She stayed up there by herself for a little while. 
KELLY POOLE:  A lovely lady.
[01:07:00] MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yes, she was.  A lovely lady, yes.  She-uh... you know the first- one of the first jobs Mozelle had was with-uh... (inaudible at [1:07:09:0]) at the grammar school.
KELLY POOLE:  I was thinking that.  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Buddy Lamb and Johnny came down here from Cleveland, and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  Johnny and Buzzy Lamb.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  They were traveling with us up there, and they- they didn’t have anything except a bunch of E Bonds, and she had the education of a teacher.  She went to school there and got a job with Malcolm, and then we had a little la-- this thing, we used to have kind of a duplex here.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Next (inaudible at [1:07:42:1]) They came here and rented this-this place I was thinking about.
KELLY POOLE:  That was right after you were married.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah.  Yeah, same year.  September in fact, I think when they rented from you know August, probably August, and-uh... Johnny got a job with Holler as a salesman-- no, as a mechanic!
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, really?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and-uh...
[01:08:03] KELLY POOLE:  Holler’s Chevrolet.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, and-uh... he was at-uh... he and Buzzy were at the party-- 
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The other night, other day, and-uh, and when Rusty was up there talking, and Johnny says, “Yeah, I’d like to get up and tell him about the time that Mozelle, Buzz and Irene Crew drank all my whiskey and then put ice tea in that bottle, and then handed me a drink out of it.  [Laughter]  O-oh, you know it’s a funny thing.  We were in that little room in there.  We were all sitting down there, and Johnny was sitting there.  He was drinking and  having just as good a time as everybody.  I finally said, “I can’t stand this,” and I went to Harper and bought another jug.  [Laughter] 
KELLY POOLE:  He was drinking ice tea?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He was drinking ice tea.
KELLY POOLE:  Didn’t know the difference?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Didn’t know the difference.  I just should’ve told him I’ll sell you a lot of ice tea cheap.  [Laughter]  A lot of whiskey cheap.
KELLY POOLE:  Well, Johnny really did well by himself though, didn’t he?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  O-oh yeah, yeah.  Great friends, they are. 
[01:09:00] KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, uh-huh.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Wonderful friends.
KELLY POOLE:  I guess he practically owned Chevrolet, Holler’s, when he retired.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  He-he-uh, he-uh... had a good business out there in Winter Gardens.  He sure did.  Holler’s been good to him, though.  He’s always been good to him.
KELLY POOLE:  Well he’s more or less a father to young Roger now.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, I think so, uh-huh, yep.  Young Roger calls every once in a while.
KELLY POOLE:  Mm-hmm.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Picks his brain.  But he’s still rich now.  He don’t think he needs to talk to anybody.  We about through?  That thing flicking?
KELLY POOLE:   Oh, it’s flicking.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It is.
KELLY POOLE:  We’ll just keep on talking as long as you can remember to talk about something.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, my goodness.  Well, there used to be a lot of Sandspurs on Sandspur field.  And Grub Ingram... 
KELLY POOLE:  Say that again, what?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Sandspur field.  You know where robin plays soccer now?
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  It used to be full of Sandspurs--
KELLY POOLE:  That’s how it got its name?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, uh-huh, and-uh... I know a guy that worked for Baker--
KELLY POOLE:  R. C. Baker?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, and his name was-- oh yeah, I thought was (inaudible at [1:10:12:4]), but he used to go out there and pick sandspurs up, and-uh... somebody reports that some old man goes out there and is picking something out of your field all the time and said, “He’s a nuisance.  Why don’t y’all run him off?”  Oh boy.  Grub Ingram!
KELLY POOLE:  Grub Ingram.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Grub Ingram, yeah.  A bunch of those guys used-- Doctor Hotard, Grub and-uh...
KELLY POOLE:  I’ll bet they go out there and tell stories.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, this is, yeah, across the street they called that the buggers’ roof.  At night they’d go up there and talk and chat, but that same group used to go down to the west coast--
KELLY POOLE:  What?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  And go fishing and then--I think it was just a big party mostly.
KELLY POOLE:  The west coast or the east coast?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  The west coast!  Down around Fort Myers someplace, and-uh... fishing.  They spent about a week down there.  One time they went by and picked up Grub Ingram in his pajamas.  He couldn’t go because he worked for Baker, and-uh... they just picked him up and hauled him out, just shanghaied him.  Mr. Baker was pretty mad about it.  [Laughter]  Didn’t do anything about it all those guys, because Doctor Hotard (inaudible at [1:11:29:1]).  He’s a good doctor, a real good doctor, but those fellows that use to sit out there across the street from Gary’s Drug Store.  There’s a bench out there, and--
[01:11:49] KELLY POOLE:  Where what is?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Hotard and not Gary--
KELLY POOLE:  Oh, they sit down Central Park and discuss all the happenings on Park Avenue.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yeah, yeah.  I guess so.
KELLY POOLE:  The gossip tree.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Yep, that’s what it was.
KELLY POOLE:  Well Maynard--
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We--
KELLY POOLE:  Looks like we’ve-uh...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  We shot it?
KELLY POOLE:  Looks like we’ve ran the gamut, haven’t we?
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Okay, we’re flashing.
KELLY POOLE:  Yeah, we’re flashing because I’m talking.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Oh, I see.
KELLY POOLE:  Um...
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  Well, it’s listening to you then still?
KELLY POOLE:  Thank you very much.
MAYNARD BALDWIN:  You’re surely welcome, Kelly.
Baldwin, Maynard--2/25/97--Sides A and B
Winter Park Series

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